.... All these people agree that there is something significant about living organisms, but they can't agree what to call it. Any traditional metaphor they choose is likely to raise somebody's hackles. Peirce's solution was very simple: he called it Thirdness. That is one of Peirce's "ugly terms", which cannot stir up anybody's preconcieved associations. I forget where exactly he mentioned it, but one of my favorite quotations from Peirce is that rather than searching for the origin of life, it is better to search for the first irreducible Thirdness in the world. That is better because it is more precise, less emotion laden, and more likely to be answerable in a definitive way. ....Nobody likes to attribute "purpose" or "intention" to a bacterium, but Thirdness can be attributed to any living organism at any level. In my interchange with Pierre, I used the words "purpose" and "intent" because I didn't want to go through the overhead of giving a tutorial on Peircean semeiotic before I could get to the point. Thirdness is Thirdness. You can push it around all you like, but when you think you've squeezed it out from one spot, it pops up somewhere else. -- John Sowa =========================== There are two fundamental issues -- different, but related: 1. Knowledge representations that involve purpose, intentionality, and many related concepts cannot be represented without an explicit or implicit triadic relation. 2. Any representation that has fundamentally triadic connections cannot be reduced to a representation that eliminates the triads. For point #1, please read Peirce. For point #2, you can keep showing one representation after another, but all they do is convert one kind of triad to another. The idea of breaking up relations or tables with muliple columns into collections of purely binary tables has been done time and again, and it proves absolutely nothing. If you want to play with examples, study the attached .gif. Represent a 3-column table for the Gives relation, then replace it with three 2-column tables for Agnt, Thme, and Rcpt. Then look at how you would use that information in any kind of SQL database. To recover the information in the 3-column table, you have to use join operators (in the relational DB sense) to join the three 2-column tables on the column that represents the verb. All you have done is to replace a 3-column table with a 3-way join operation. Bottom line: It's a mathematical theorem: When you have a triadic connection in a graph, there is no possible transformation that will eliminate the triad. If you draw it as a table, you have only disguised the triad, not eliminated it. John